Converation thread

saying aloud what a lot of us are thinking...

Someone has to say it aloud

Someone had to blast an unproven and likely false conspiracy theory. President’s and legislators don’t have the kind of power, even when implied, to use an extrajudicial killing to force a bill into fruition. There’s no proof for that.

Sorry, I didn't realise you had such a profound and irrational faith in human nature as to think it's unhealthy to question the motives of power holders, nor such a profound ignorance of history as to think that it would be extraordinary for such conspiratorial activities to have occurred. But apparently you do. Hate to burst your bubble, but history is littered with examples of power holders covertly doing EXTREMELY shady things not unlike this killing – take JFK's assassination, for example – WHY DO WE STILL NOT HAVE THE TRUTH? It's not dangerous or irrationa…  Read morel to discuss possibilities like this – it's healthy and essential for a free society to ALWAYS question the motives of power holders, and ALWAYS demand the truth. We were right about COVID, we were right about the vaccine, we were right about Wuhan and the 2020 election, we were right about Hunter Biden. If there was a tally-board for how often the "conspiracy theorists" have been right, and how often the government & fake "expert" class have been right, it would read

And we should also doubt our doubts, let’s think here. If they wanted to pass the bill in congress, how best would they do it? They’d talk directly to the legislators in congress itself, they’d intentionally make the border worse, which has not happened recently as border restrictions have increased. They’d be pleading their case about Ukraine or gaining public support for Ukraine spending via dark money ad campaigns, but none of the easier or more subtle options are being used, so it’s likely that something as indirect and pointless as killing someone we advocate for would be a good way to make the bill pass.

I'm not saying the neocon congressmen themselves are directly involved, it was likely a CIA asset or something. It could have been a Ukrainian asset. We simply don't know. But I do know that powerful forces and powerful self-interests are involved in this, and the stakes could not be higher. That's why I explore such dark possibilities with courage and rational analysis.

We both do in that respect, just on near polar opposite sides. I have much suspicion of the US government, especially the CIA, but my main critiques lie with Russia due to their long and reliable track record of lies and corruption that transcends our government’s own issues.

Then why did you feel the need to protest me saying that someone had to start talking about dark possibilities? Why did you use Ad Hominem attacks on it as a "conspiracy theory"? If we agree that these things should be examined, then let them be examined without badmouthing those who examine them!

Because the possibility of us killing an ally of a protester is not nearly equivalent to the possibility of someone with a common track record of murder being considered. The situation even doesn’t make too much sense, if they wanted the bill, there’s better ways to get it. I’m saying that considering that possibility as if it’s superior to Putin just being a murderer is false equivalence, even misguided logical reasoning in many ways.

I'm not necessarily saying that happened, all I'm saying is that it would be a useless and stupid decision for Putin, who thought evil is very intelligent, to kill Nalvany, therefore we should not assume as much, much less use that unproven theory as a basis for any negative emotions toward Russia we wouldn't already have. Certainly it's no argument for them to pass the 95 billion dollar aid bill that's in Congress right now. This is not misguided logical reasoning – I haven't even assumed anything – all I'm saying is that we need more information and the situation looks highly suspicious. To say as much should not be controversial.

That's what Daniel McAdams was saying on the Liberty Report podcast! If you haven't heard of it, I recommend you try listening to an episode.