Whom would you most like to see appointed as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development?
This has never been the case in any society, throughout any point in human history, ever. The "free…
Humans are adaptively conditioned under whatever system they materially exist within; there is no objective or intrinsic "human nature" to frame society around, so I have no idea what it is you think any society is "perfecting"?
Secondly, I didn't even advocate for a "utopia", since it's an entirely subjective concept that doesn't exist. I merely advocated for a system that is owned and operated BY the public itself, instead of by private interests. You're free to dispute that, but given the fact that you seemed to be unable to, and instead had to attack a strawman, with some ad hominem mixed in, suggests that you couldn't...
@TruthHurts10110mos10MO
If you don't understand the very basic concept of human nature then this argument is hopeless. You're no longer illogical, you alogical, and will undermine every genuine argument. Also, the straw man fallacy that you allege that I made is completely false, because I define socialism as virtually every single person on the face of this planet does -- government ownership of private property. If you define it some other way, I would be happy to listen to your idea is. But it's so ironic that you accuse me of being illogical when you don't even appear to know what the philoso… Read more
@VulcanMan6 10mos10MO
I didn't realize that you were unironically under the impression that socialism is "when the government owns everything", because that's literally a meme. Socialism has never meant that, nor has any socialist economist or thinker ever claimed that, so I'm not sure where you even made that assertion from..? Socialism isn't even a governmental system, it is an economic one, so your false definition doesn't even make sense either.
Socialism is, in it's most basic definition, an economic system in which the means of production are socially-owned (hence the… Read more
@TruthHurts10110mos10MO
Couldn't help but notice my argument about human nation left you speechless. I schooled you.
@VulcanMan6 10mos10MO
lol what are you talking about? You didn't even make an argument on it, all you said was: "If you don't understand the very basic concept of human nature then this argument is hopeless" which isn't even an argument, nor is it even a point at all.
I had already responded to your previous claims about "human nature" when I replied:
"What "human nature" is there to "perfect"..? That claim doesn't even make sense. Humans are adaptively conditioned under whatever system they materially exist within; there is no objective or intrinsic "human nature" to frame society around, so I have no idea what it is you think any society is "perfecting"?"
And you never responded to this...
@TruthHurts10110mos10MO
You're trying to perfect man's greed, thinking they'll all hold hands and sing kumbaya if only the government will steal from the rich and subsidize the lazy. You assume the government will act of noble motives, which is assuming you can perfect the greedy, selfish nature you attribute to the capitalists and the wealthy in the government. By assuming that the very negative qualities you despise in the rich will not be present in the GOVERNMENT, you are essentially WORSHIPPING the State, assuming it will solve all your problems. One month of your Orwellian Nightmare and you'd get a swift does of REALITY CHECK.
@TruthHurts10110mos10MO
Capitalism believes government should leave us alone, socialism believes it should run our lives. Simple as that
@VulcanMan6 10mos10MO
lol this is blatantly false, considering that there are a plethora of pro-state capitalist ideologies, just as there are a plethora of anti-state socialist ideologies. Each system has nearly endless forms, encompassing a wide range of ideologies within "capitalism" and "socialism".
The ideology that YOU seem to believe in is likely some form of Libertarian-Capitalism, or perhaps even Minarcho-Capitalism, although not quite into the Anarcho-Capitalism range (since, if I recall correctly, you do still believe in the existence of a state but limited to military, right?). I can tell you don't have as much in-depth understanding of the deeper socio-economic ideologies contained within these systems, so perhaps look into the ones I named, as they might more accurately suit your actual beliefs..?
@TruthHurts10110mos10MO
I looked into the ones you named and I'm a socially conservative Libertarian Capitalist, right-wing. You are a senseless authoritarian Socialist, environmentalist hippy, social justice warrior, left-wing.
