The following is a 5 message exchange between 2 users
@VulcanMan6 10mos10MO
This has never been the case in any society, throughout any point in human history, ever.
The "free market" will only ever do anything if it ultimately makes a profit for the private capital-owners; it has absolutely no interest, or ability, in solving homelessness because guaranteeing housing for all people is not a profitable endeavor. If we want an economy that works for the interests of the actual public, then the public itself needs to be in charge of the economy, and not living at the mercy of the personal financial incentives of private individuals seeking their own profits over all else. At no point in the history of society has that ever been a better system of providing for the public...
@TruthHurts10110mos10MO
You're so stupid it's beyond belief. You think you can perfect human nature under your little socialist utopia, where everyone holds hands and sings kumbaya in a beautiful circle of life. Well, maybe ignorance it bliss. Maybe I shouldn't hammer some hell into your head, and let you live on in dreamland, but if you believe this crap please don't vote. Dream on!
@VulcanMan6 10mos10MO
What "human nature" is there to "perfect"..? That claim doesn't even make sense. Humans are adaptively conditioned under whatever system they materially exist within; there is no objective or intrinsic "human nature" to frame society around, so I have no idea what it is you think any society is "perfecting"?
Secondly, I didn't even advocate for a "utopia", since it's an entirely subjective concept that doesn't exist. I merely advocated for a system that is owned and operated BY the public itself, instead of by private interests. You're free to dispute that, but given the fact that you seemed to be unable to, and instead had to attack a strawman, with some ad hominem mixed in, suggests that you couldn't...
@TruthHurts10110mos10MO
If you don't understand the very basic concept of human nature then this argument is hopeless. You're no longer illogical, you alogical, and will undermine every genuine argument. Also, the straw man fallacy that you allege that I made is completely false, because I define socialism as virtually every single person on the face of this planet does -- government ownership of private property. If you define it some other way, I would be happy to listen to your idea is. But it's so ironic that you accuse me of being illogical when you don't even appear to know what the philoso… Read more
@VulcanMan6 10mos10MO
I didn't realize that you were unironically under the impression that socialism is "when the government owns everything", because that's literally a meme. Socialism has never meant that, nor has any socialist economist or thinker ever claimed that, so I'm not sure where you even made that assertion from..? Socialism isn't even a governmental system, it is an economic one, so your false definition doesn't even make sense either.
Socialism is, in it's most basic definition, an economic system in which the means of production are socially-owned (hence the… Read more
