Converation thread

You're so stupid it's beyond belief. You think you can perfect human nature under your little socialist utopia, where everyone holds hands and sings kumbaya in a beautiful circle of life. Well, maybe ignorance it bliss. Maybe I shouldn't hammer some hell into your head, and let you live on in dreamland, but if you believe this crap please don't vote. Dream on!

What "human nature" is there to "perfect"..? That claim doesn't even make sense. Humans are adaptively conditioned under whatever system they materially exist within; there is no objective or intrinsic "human nature" to frame society around, so I have no idea what it is you think any society is "perfecting"?

Secondly, I didn't even advocate for a "utopia", since it's an entirely subjective concept that doesn't exist. I merely advocated for a system that is owned and operated BY the public itself, instead of by private interests. You're free to dispute that, but given the fact that you seemed to be unable to, and instead had to attack a strawman, with some ad hominem mixed in, suggests that you couldn't...

If you don't understand the very basic concept of human nature then this argument is hopeless. You're no longer illogical, you alogical, and will undermine every genuine argument. Also, the straw man fallacy that you allege that I made is completely false, because I define socialism as virtually every single person on the face of this planet does -- government ownership of private property. If you define it some other way, I would be happy to listen to your idea is. But it's so ironic that you accuse me of being illogical when you don't even appear to know what the philoso…  Read morephy that you claim to subscribe to is. I figured no one would be stupid enough for me to have to debate the meaning of socialism, rather than the fact of socialism, but your impertinence and idioticy knows no bounds. So please define, clearly, your idea of socialism for me or this argument is impossible.

I didn't realize that you were unironically under the impression that socialism is "when the government owns everything", because that's literally a meme. Socialism has never meant that, nor has any socialist economist or thinker ever claimed that, so I'm not sure where you even made that assertion from..? Socialism isn't even a governmental system, it is an economic one, so your false definition doesn't even make sense either.

Socialism is, in it's most basic definition, an economic system in which the means of production are socially-owned (hence the…  Read more name). Socialism is definitionally characterized on the basis that all workers/citizens would share democratic ownership over the products/profits of their own labor, without any private owners.

lol what are you talking about? You didn't even make an argument on it, all you said was: "If you don't understand the very basic concept of human nature then this argument is hopeless" which isn't even an argument, nor is it even a point at all.

I had already responded to your previous claims about "human nature" when I replied:

"What "human nature" is there to "perfect"..? That claim doesn't even make sense. Humans are adaptively conditioned under whatever system they materially exist within; there is no objective or intrinsic "human nature" to frame society around, so I have no idea what it is you think any society is "perfecting"?"

And you never responded to this...

You're trying to perfect man's greed, thinking they'll all hold hands and sing kumbaya if only the government will steal from the rich and subsidize the lazy. You assume the government will act of noble motives, which is assuming you can perfect the greedy, selfish nature you attribute to the capitalists and the wealthy in the government. By assuming that the very negative qualities you despise in the rich will not be present in the GOVERNMENT, you are essentially WORSHIPPING the State, assuming it will solve all your problems. One month of your Orwellian Nightmare and you'd get a swift does of REALITY CHECK.

"You're trying to perfect man's greed, thinking they'll all hold hands and sing kumbaya..."

lol why would I think that? I didn't even argue for that either. There you go again attacking strawman arguments you made up yourself so you don't have to actually address any of the things people actually say. Are you afraid you couldn't defend against people's actual positions or something..?

"the government will steal from the rich and subsidize the lazy."

Are you talking about like, a UBI or something? I'm not sure what you're referring…  Read more to, because you keep making up points that no one mentioned...

Maybe I should give up on trying to help you see the light, because obviously you hate being told the truth...

lol you have no light to give, only an ideology of theocratic and economic oppression. You have not said nearly a single piece of truth this entire time; all you do is make up strawman and attack those with even worse takes. But hey, the truth hurts...

I feel like there should be just some level of required education on political systems from people that support it in order to best explain them, because @TruthHurts has just the most garbage understanding of the whole system.