Should the U.S. withdraw from the Paris Climate Agreement?
Yes, and also withdraw from the obsolete United Nations and NATO and pursue an isolationist foreign…
The following is a 8 message exchange between 4 users
@ReflectiveRationalistGreen11mos11MO
It's important to note that climate change is supported by extensive scientific research and evidence. In fact, 97% of climate scientists agree that climate change is real and largely caused by human activities. The Paris Agreement aims to address this global issue through international cooperation, and it's designed to hold all countries accountable, developing and developed nations alike.
For instance, China, the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, has committed to peak its carbon emissions by 2030 and to increase its share of non-fossil energy to 20% by that same… Read more
@VulcanMan6 11mos11MO
Do you think that direct action against corporations that continue to cause, and lobby to maintain, the negative effects of anthropogenic climate disaster is justified and/or ethical?
@TruthHurts10111mos11MO
HECK NO. In no circumstances should the government interfere with the free market in any way shape or form.
@VulcanMan6 10mos10MO
I was referring to direct public action, not government action.
But regardless, if it were not for government regulation you would still be working in the mines in a company town with the rest of your middle school peers...
@TruthHurts10110mos10MO
I wouldn't because the free market would. have incentivized employers to do better living conditions like at Ford Motors and our economy would have progressed so much the standard of living would be significantly higher...
@VulcanMan610mos10MO
The free market would mulch you into biofuel if it was profitable. Economic progress comes only from labor action, not from the good will of businesses.
@TruthHurts10110mos10MO
It's not the "good will" of businesses that makes the world go round, nor have I ever claimed that. It's competition between them that does. Capitalism uses mankind's less-than-noble nature for good, socialism assumes that it's noble. Of course you'll claim I'm straw-manning here but I am just attacking socialism as most socialists describe it, not as you do.
@VulcanMan6 10mos10MO
"It's competition between them that does."
Competition only stifles progress. Even logically, your claim doesn't make sense.
Every independent establishment/institution hiding information and resources from each other only results in LESS overall progress. Think of how much MORE progress we would have if all of our collective human knowledge and resources were put together and shared amongst all of society? The amount of medical and technological knowledge alone would be significantly higher than it is today if every scientist and producer had access to all known information and resources available. It doesn't even make sense to think that private individuals with limited and exclusive information/resources would somehow have more progress than collective sources with allRead more
"Capitalism uses mankind's less-than-noble nature for good..."
"Good" for private capital-owning individuals, yes, but not better for everyone else.
"...socialism assumes that it's noble."
No it doesn't. There is no ideological tenet or source that even suggests that, it is entirely your own misunderstanding of the idea that makes you keep assuming that.
"Of course you'll claim I'm straw-manning here but I am just attacking socialism as most socialists describe it, not as you do."
The fact that you're talking to ME is what makes it a strawman, yes. If you were talking to someone who actually claimed this (which I doubt anyone ever actually has, you just misunderstand the ideology), then it wouldn't be a strawman, you would be addressing their position, but since I didn't claim this, and in fact have repeatedly claimed against it, is what makes this a fallacy.
I promise you, as a socialist who is very well-versed in socio-economic ideology and incredibly active in online communities, that this is NOT a real position believed by anyone who knows what socialism is. The only time I have ever even heard it is by anti-socialists using this as a strawman to give pro-capitalist propaganda. No socialist I have ever heard of has ever actually made this claim. And the fact that it's simply your anecdotal word against mine is exactly why the strawman fallacy is a fallacy...either argue with what I said, or there's no point in bringing it up.
