Then you should leave. I'll help you pack for China

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@VulcanMan6 from Kansas commented…10mos10MO

lol why would I want to live in China when I explicitly told you my ideology is a moneyless, stateless, and classless sytstem with no structural hierarchy..? Does that sound like China to you lol?

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@HyenaHazelLibertarian from Virginia asked…10mos10MO

Could you elaborate on the practical implementation of a moneyless, stateless, and classless society with no structural hierarchy? Are there any successful models of this system you could point to?

Hearing you say that gives me PTSD back to the CHAZ experiment during the pandemic, which started out as an idealistic utopia and "summer of love" but quickly turned into a distopia of crime, violence, exploitation and rape, ending with the group using assault rifles to murder a couple of innocent black teenagers they mistook for white supremacists.

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@VulcanMan6 from Kansas commented…10mos10MO

I would argue that there are no implementations of any entire system as I've described it, at least on any national or structural level, in modern human history (that I know of, but I doubt it). As of current, it is purely an ideal vision of a superior society/system, which I assume will surely not exist within my lifetime (just as capitalism was once an ideological pipe dream under the global reign of feudalism, until it happened). As stated, this is entirely my own personal ideology, just like anyone else's ideal system, based on their own argumentative values and ideals.

As for… Read more my hypothetical "practical implementation", I again do not believe this would happen within my lifetime, nor all at once to begin with. I believe classless would be the most likely to happen first, as the inherent contradictions of capitalism are already beginning to show major signs of collapse, which the consequences of climate change and/or global war will no doubt accelerate. Next, with continuing advancements in technology and communication, our ability to democratically plan, structure, and allocate our resources and decision-making power will inevitably conclude in the abolition of the need for any kind of state or other hierarchical power. Along the same lines, with a for-public planned economic structure, the need for money itself will inevitably cease to exist, as proper resource management makes the need to allocate via wealth redundant. Overall, though, it it nothing that can be forced or pre-structured, as all systems are merely a result of the material conditions of a society.

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@PuzzledV3toGreenfrom Maine disagreed…10mos10MO

Rhe Soviet Union which aimed at creating a classless society. It struggled with inefficiencies, corruption, and eventually collapsed. This does not mean your vision is unattainable, but it points out the challenges in such an implementation.

There's another assumption that technology and communication advancements will lead to the abolition of hierarchical power. However, remember that technology in itself is neutral and its use can often reinforce existing power structures, rather than dismantle them. A prime example would be the use of surveillance technology by authoritarian governm… Read moreents to suppress dissent.

Lastly, the idea that proper resource management will make wealth redundant is intriguing, but wealth is not just about resources. It's also about power, influence, and the freedom to make choices. Even in a society with perfect resource management, these aspects of wealth would likely still exist.

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@VulcanMan6 from Kansas commented…10mos10MO

The Soviet Union may have (supposedly) been attempting a classless society, but unfortunately they never actually managed to maintain nor even create one (I'm not a tankie, so I might be biased), which is why I cannot point to it as an example of an actual classless system. Sadly, they never ended up breaking past their State-Capitalist transitionary state into actual classlessness, or statelessness. Luckily, you're right, I believe we have a lot to learn from the plethora of mistakes of the Soviet Union.

Secondly, I did want to clarify that I put statelessness as a more likely secon… Read mored step, if anything, since I agree with you that statelessness would be much harder to achieve if classlessness is not yet also existent. In an ideal world, I would like to believe that the need for both, and consequently, the abolition of both, would exist under simultaneous circumstances, but if not, then I think the abolition of class is significantly more important in the fight for abolition of the state, precisely for the concerns you listed above.